TeddyKoochu
09-07 11:39 AM
I think there is more smartness needed than luck in the greencard process. If you look at the posts in this thread there are some people that came to USA in 1990s and still waiting, while some that came much later are on their way to citizenship. Some got the EB2 route and are happy and some in EB3 have only gloom before them.
This in my opinion has helped smart folks among us:
- They applied for GC as soon as possible. Those who waited did not give importance to Greencard as soon as they started a job in USA are now paying for their mistakes. During the initial days of career I have seen people saying that GC is not important to them etc but when their H1B is about to expire they panic and get desperate for Green Card.
- Before pre-PERM era in 2005, smart folks took up jobs in states where labor certification had no backlog. They are now either waiting for citizenship or already citizens. On the other hand people in states like CA, NY etc suffered due to labor backlogs and far from getting greencard in hand.
- Any company can be good or bad for an individual. It it not a question of consulting vs fortune 500 or small vs big size of a company. Smart folks know what matters them the most when they join a company. When company sees them as a valuable asset, it applies for them. I have seen where company applied for GC as soon as the employee joined it. And I have seen posts where people had to wait for several years before company applied.
- People who took advantage of the Labor substitution got faster labors. Some could take advantage of EB2 labors and they are very fortunate. This is in no way endorsing the labor substitution rule, but in pre 2007 times nobody was protesting against it. This is a sad reality.
- Smart folks took the risk and changed jobs wth EB2 job requirements, so that they can file in EB2. Such folks with 2007 PD are happy today and people with 2003 PDs in EB3 will have to wait for a long time.
- If you read posts on this thread, many people have posted that they feel they are being screwed by their employer or lawyer. But hardly anyone has said they took any action against it. This is also a sad reality where we as a community have failed and will continue to suffer.
- Many folks have said that they thought they were in EB2. But found they are in EB3. This shows another weakness of our community and lack of awareness. IV forum tries to spread the awareness but unless an individual takes initiative, they will suffer.
Many people were able to file I485 in July 2007 due to IV effort. Imagine a 2004 EB3 India person without EAD today? How will he survive a job loss on H1B in a bad economy? We should take a lesson from that event and try for another big push. There is no other shortcut for us. It is shocking to find people on this thread that are in this country for more than 10 years and without a green card. These folks should be the most vocal folks in this effort.
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Pappu excellent post full of true facts. Being smart in my opinion means being knowledgeable and aware of the current situation at any given point of time rather than being ignorant and indifferent. Most of the time doing some basic research can lead an individual to the right option that is legally consistent and correct, it’s really never too late to correct course. Yes there will be street smart people (Sub labor being one example) who will game the system but besides other things let’s accept that they know how things work. Life is about learning and then What Next? It’s really about continuous improvement and trying to move in the right direction. Not having the desired end result is fine but not doing anything or not trying is bad. Very nice and motivating stories from some of the veteran’s you give us the motivation to hang on. OP you seem to have started a nice discussion.
This in my opinion has helped smart folks among us:
- They applied for GC as soon as possible. Those who waited did not give importance to Greencard as soon as they started a job in USA are now paying for their mistakes. During the initial days of career I have seen people saying that GC is not important to them etc but when their H1B is about to expire they panic and get desperate for Green Card.
- Before pre-PERM era in 2005, smart folks took up jobs in states where labor certification had no backlog. They are now either waiting for citizenship or already citizens. On the other hand people in states like CA, NY etc suffered due to labor backlogs and far from getting greencard in hand.
- Any company can be good or bad for an individual. It it not a question of consulting vs fortune 500 or small vs big size of a company. Smart folks know what matters them the most when they join a company. When company sees them as a valuable asset, it applies for them. I have seen where company applied for GC as soon as the employee joined it. And I have seen posts where people had to wait for several years before company applied.
- People who took advantage of the Labor substitution got faster labors. Some could take advantage of EB2 labors and they are very fortunate. This is in no way endorsing the labor substitution rule, but in pre 2007 times nobody was protesting against it. This is a sad reality.
- Smart folks took the risk and changed jobs wth EB2 job requirements, so that they can file in EB2. Such folks with 2007 PD are happy today and people with 2003 PDs in EB3 will have to wait for a long time.
- If you read posts on this thread, many people have posted that they feel they are being screwed by their employer or lawyer. But hardly anyone has said they took any action against it. This is also a sad reality where we as a community have failed and will continue to suffer.
- Many folks have said that they thought they were in EB2. But found they are in EB3. This shows another weakness of our community and lack of awareness. IV forum tries to spread the awareness but unless an individual takes initiative, they will suffer.
Many people were able to file I485 in July 2007 due to IV effort. Imagine a 2004 EB3 India person without EAD today? How will he survive a job loss on H1B in a bad economy? We should take a lesson from that event and try for another big push. There is no other shortcut for us. It is shocking to find people on this thread that are in this country for more than 10 years and without a green card. These folks should be the most vocal folks in this effort.
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Pappu excellent post full of true facts. Being smart in my opinion means being knowledgeable and aware of the current situation at any given point of time rather than being ignorant and indifferent. Most of the time doing some basic research can lead an individual to the right option that is legally consistent and correct, it’s really never too late to correct course. Yes there will be street smart people (Sub labor being one example) who will game the system but besides other things let’s accept that they know how things work. Life is about learning and then What Next? It’s really about continuous improvement and trying to move in the right direction. Not having the desired end result is fine but not doing anything or not trying is bad. Very nice and motivating stories from some of the veteran’s you give us the motivation to hang on. OP you seem to have started a nice discussion.
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a1b2c3
12-11 09:47 PM
for the first time (in 5 years that I have been tracking them) the visa bulletin looks like it was "made in America". The america of old, the one that is so organized that every official form includes an estimated time on how long it takes to fill it up. The one where every street has a clear name marker, every intersection has multiple stop lights, multiple signs. Where the little cats-eyes on the road are color coded[1] Where lines form automagically when a bunch of people converge on anything. Where you can go to any .gov site and pick up whatever statistics you want on anything from agriculture, to factories, to healthcare.
This is a nation built on documentation and organization.
For the first time the visa bulletin does not look like some discarded bingo card or four monkeys getting excited on a typewriter. For the first time the numbers make sense, they explain why they are what they are. They even put our prediction threads out of business by coming out with their own set of predictions for the rest of the year.
USCIS has had data like this for eons (how many cases pending in which category and from which country). It took the usual american obsession with data and organizing data to come out with all this.
Kudos to them.
Things remain bleak, but just to see something so neatly organized and put out was heartening to me.
P.S: and no, this is not them just doing their job. Their job is to put out the dates every month (like they have been doing for atleast over a decade). To clearly spell out how many cases are pending (like their recent report), and now to predict how these dates will move, is IMO going beyond the minimum requirements of the job, and is much appreciated.
[1]: blue meaning a firehydrant, yellow as a separator of lanes in different directions, white in the same direction, red is dont enter. found the meaning of the blue one recently, and was impressed. atleast in CA this is what they are.
Nice observations.
This is a nation built on documentation and organization.
For the first time the visa bulletin does not look like some discarded bingo card or four monkeys getting excited on a typewriter. For the first time the numbers make sense, they explain why they are what they are. They even put our prediction threads out of business by coming out with their own set of predictions for the rest of the year.
USCIS has had data like this for eons (how many cases pending in which category and from which country). It took the usual american obsession with data and organizing data to come out with all this.
Kudos to them.
Things remain bleak, but just to see something so neatly organized and put out was heartening to me.
P.S: and no, this is not them just doing their job. Their job is to put out the dates every month (like they have been doing for atleast over a decade). To clearly spell out how many cases are pending (like their recent report), and now to predict how these dates will move, is IMO going beyond the minimum requirements of the job, and is much appreciated.
[1]: blue meaning a firehydrant, yellow as a separator of lanes in different directions, white in the same direction, red is dont enter. found the meaning of the blue one recently, and was impressed. atleast in CA this is what they are.
Nice observations.
vine93
05-01 04:46 PM
No, he wasn't too specific.
Most of the answers were like We did some mistakes, we are taking new measures, new database , liking state Deptt to USCIS, making progress.
Lets see when that will show results.
Most of the answers were like We did some mistakes, we are taking new measures, new database , liking state Deptt to USCIS, making progress.
Lets see when that will show results.
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Edison99
04-18 09:10 AM
Congrats eb3july2003! Enjoy freedom....
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ItIsNotFunny
03-12 03:46 PM
I already did. I just dont like this DONOR based thread idea.
Appreciate it. Lets not use hard language and insult each other. Keep in mind, united we stand.
Appreciate it. Lets not use hard language and insult each other. Keep in mind, united we stand.
ilikekilo
07-23 06:55 PM
I am sure you'll get GC by the end on this year or early next year. I might have called USCIS abt 15-20 times and from what I understand dates would retrogress for eb3 India, but not horribly. My guess in of the total applications in August 30% have older PD 02/03/04. Becuause pf PERM processing majority are 05/06/07.
thanks for ur input and still sticking to IV ..
thanks for ur input and still sticking to IV ..
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obviously
09-14 05:33 PM
Looks like some people will need to get their PhD awards 'overturned'!
Gctest, Pallavi79 etc present a faulty hypothesis and case to mask and promote their myopic self-interests.
e.g. "Eb2 people are highly qualified compared to EB3" - Nowhere in US immigration-based legislation do we find such support for such a categorical assertion.
EB categories are EMPLOYMENT BASED - simply put, the requirements of the job determine EB category. Not whether one is smarter than the other.
There is another 10+ page thread on this very topic where this issue has been examined threadbare. Based on current law there is nothing illegal in this porting practice. Also, there is no place for 'ethical' categorization in the letter of the law.
Porting is a legally supported practice which is tied to LABOR and JOB requirements, not to one's esteemed sense of self worth.
There are numerous BUSINESS reasons why EB3 to EB2 porting is allowed. Why not focus on other forms of irrational immigration practice like the 7% quotas which amount to discrimination based on national origin?
Gctest, Pallavi79 etc present a faulty hypothesis and case to mask and promote their myopic self-interests.
e.g. "Eb2 people are highly qualified compared to EB3" - Nowhere in US immigration-based legislation do we find such support for such a categorical assertion.
EB categories are EMPLOYMENT BASED - simply put, the requirements of the job determine EB category. Not whether one is smarter than the other.
There is another 10+ page thread on this very topic where this issue has been examined threadbare. Based on current law there is nothing illegal in this porting practice. Also, there is no place for 'ethical' categorization in the letter of the law.
Porting is a legally supported practice which is tied to LABOR and JOB requirements, not to one's esteemed sense of self worth.
There are numerous BUSINESS reasons why EB3 to EB2 porting is allowed. Why not focus on other forms of irrational immigration practice like the 7% quotas which amount to discrimination based on national origin?
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Green.Tech
05-26 11:21 AM
Where are all the contributors? Wake up guys! EAD is not going to solve GC problems!
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langagadu
03-04 12:19 PM
do have your 140 approved?
Doesnt seem like anything is cooking at TSC! I-140 and I-485 still shows
"On Oct 1st 2007 we received....blah blah blah...."
-GCisaDawg
Doesnt seem like anything is cooking at TSC! I-140 and I-485 still shows
"On Oct 1st 2007 we received....blah blah blah...."
-GCisaDawg
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maverick_joe
05-02 04:23 PM
what king meant was that anyone could apply for 485 and get an EAD which has no work restrictions as a H1 and enjoy the same benifits someone with a GC holds..down the line(after years of wait) even if the 485 gets rejected he/she has njoyed all the privilages or work/travel by getting his/her AP/EAD...
well damn you king, issue GCs faster then!
I read here that King said that everyon on EAD and AP is getting a free ride even thought here green card might get rejected. What does he mean by that. I tahught every process goes thorugha security check. such as I 140, H1b, AP and even EAD.
well damn you king, issue GCs faster then!
I read here that King said that everyon on EAD and AP is getting a free ride even thought here green card might get rejected. What does he mean by that. I tahught every process goes thorugha security check. such as I 140, H1b, AP and even EAD.
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transpass
09-12 12:01 AM
I personally think backwards running clock is the best thing to send...It hits nail on the head...The PDs are moving backward instead of forward...It is also a funny story for news media to pick up...Mass letters are also ok...
Regarding the fliers suggested by someone, I feel that calling them lazy would not help (Even though I agree that they do deserve to some extent). But on the otherhand they might take offense to that, since the IOs can say that at times, they work weekends and that they just follow what they are directed to do by the higherups...
Just my 2cents...
Regarding the fliers suggested by someone, I feel that calling them lazy would not help (Even though I agree that they do deserve to some extent). But on the otherhand they might take offense to that, since the IOs can say that at times, they work weekends and that they just follow what they are directed to do by the higherups...
Just my 2cents...
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rb_248
06-10 08:13 AM
Atleast EB2 is not moving back. I hope EB2 moves forward begining this October.
EB3 guys - Hope it dosen't nove back from where it was last month come October for you all.
EB3 guys - Hope it dosen't nove back from where it was last month come October for you all.
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9years
10-29 09:08 AM
Quite possible. Best of luck.
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JunRN
08-13 09:13 PM
I think everything will normalize in October. From RN, EAD may take three to four months.
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mayitbesoon
10-08 09:41 AM
Diptam,
Thanks for the updates.
My husband's I-140 is pending at TSC for an year now and employer is not agreeing to sign on form 7001. Can we send an e-mail to Omburdsman and expect some action to be taken?? does it help?
Thanks for the updates.
My husband's I-140 is pending at TSC for an year now and employer is not agreeing to sign on form 7001. Can we send an e-mail to Omburdsman and expect some action to be taken?? does it help?
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08-13 04:53 PM
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som_yad
12-26 06:37 PM
Filed 486 EAD AP on Aug 16
Received all Receipts in Oct, Received EAD in Nov.
But no AP yet and also when I check online it shows
"Case Status Retrieval Failed
This Receipt Number cannot be found at this time in ..."
Received all Receipts in Oct, Received EAD in Nov.
But no AP yet and also when I check online it shows
"Case Status Retrieval Failed
This Receipt Number cannot be found at this time in ..."
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chanduv23
11-17 02:26 PM
Pardon my ignorance, but is this something we can ask clarification from CIS Ombudsman? Its real confusing:confused:
Some updates: I talked to two different lawyers and both advised differently on this issue. In fact I got the impression that one of them didn't have much clue as much as some experienced IV members have. (He said if job titles are different than you have issues...) There are many people hanging on to their current employer due to confusion on this issue and potential effect on pending GC.
and the great question continues to haunt: can a person keep working legally on EAD status if his/hers I-485 gets revoked in error by CIS? or he will be forced to resign from a new job when his MTR is being filed or in progress??? This is really killing me. Who has the answer? if anyone knows, please please share!
lazycis, chanduv - anyone to comment on above new information???
My blog was based on Attorney Rajiv Khanna's interpretation. We need to definitely nail this out. Any experts?
Some updates: I talked to two different lawyers and both advised differently on this issue. In fact I got the impression that one of them didn't have much clue as much as some experienced IV members have. (He said if job titles are different than you have issues...) There are many people hanging on to their current employer due to confusion on this issue and potential effect on pending GC.
and the great question continues to haunt: can a person keep working legally on EAD status if his/hers I-485 gets revoked in error by CIS? or he will be forced to resign from a new job when his MTR is being filed or in progress??? This is really killing me. Who has the answer? if anyone knows, please please share!
lazycis, chanduv - anyone to comment on above new information???
My blog was based on Attorney Rajiv Khanna's interpretation. We need to definitely nail this out. Any experts?
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09-11 05:12 PM
I'm in.
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07-13 03:23 PM
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insbaby
07-06 12:16 PM
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>> Although 30,000 people are IV members
Update:
18,344 members have zero post.
21,807 members have zero or 1 post.
27,370 members have zero to 10 posts.
That should give an idea how many members are really "active" on IV.
30000 - 27370 = 2630 (more than 10 posts)
At the end,
1. Let us assume 1500 people using it actively every week,
1500 * $25 = $37500 / month
1500 * $20 = $30000 / month
1500 * $15 = $22500 / month
1500 * $10 = $15000 / month
1500 * $5 = Why do you need GC? A McDonald's lunch cost > $5
2. Let us assume 1000 people using it actively every week,
1000 * $25 = $25000 / month
1000 * $20 = $20000 / month
1000 * $15 = $15000 / month
1000 * $10 = $10000 / month
1000 * $5 = Why do you need GC? A Subway lunch cost > $5
3. Let us assume 500 people using it actively every week,
500 * $25 = $12500 / month
500 * $20 = $10000 / month
500 * $15 = $ 7500 / month
500 * $10 = $ 5000 / month
500 * $5 = Why do you need GC? A Jack-In-Box lunch cost > $5
>> Although 30,000 people are IV members
Update:
18,344 members have zero post.
21,807 members have zero or 1 post.
27,370 members have zero to 10 posts.
That should give an idea how many members are really "active" on IV.
30000 - 27370 = 2630 (more than 10 posts)
At the end,
1. Let us assume 1500 people using it actively every week,
1500 * $25 = $37500 / month
1500 * $20 = $30000 / month
1500 * $15 = $22500 / month
1500 * $10 = $15000 / month
1500 * $5 = Why do you need GC? A McDonald's lunch cost > $5
2. Let us assume 1000 people using it actively every week,
1000 * $25 = $25000 / month
1000 * $20 = $20000 / month
1000 * $15 = $15000 / month
1000 * $10 = $10000 / month
1000 * $5 = Why do you need GC? A Subway lunch cost > $5
3. Let us assume 500 people using it actively every week,
500 * $25 = $12500 / month
500 * $20 = $10000 / month
500 * $15 = $ 7500 / month
500 * $10 = $ 5000 / month
500 * $5 = Why do you need GC? A Jack-In-Box lunch cost > $5
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